Simple fixed windows for van?

[newshound]

I have a Renault Master panel van (not coachbuilt) horsebox, the type
with standard solid steel back doors. Wife has decided the horses (rear
facing) need to be able to look out. The "proper" Renault glazed units
are comparatively expensive but I reckon all I need is one or two simple
boat/caravan types fitted within the "single skin" part at the top of
the door/s. Any suggestions for suppliers, or things to watch out for?

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

The "proper" Renault glazed units are comparatively expensive but I reckon
all I need is one or two simple boat/caravan types fitted within the "single
skin" part at the top of the door/s.

Caravan and probably boat types are basically designed to have a
thicker panel to fit to. You would probably need to add a 25mm piece of
ply around the holes.

A better bet would be a car/van scrap yard and look for a van which has
had panel windows added, which can be reclaimed.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Make sure structural pressures cannot bounce the windows out of their
surrounds. Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see
where its been!
Brian
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I have a Renault Master panel van (not coachbuilt) horsebox, the type with
standard solid steel back doors. Wife has decided the horses (rear facing)
need to be able to look out. The "proper" Renault glazed units are
comparatively expensive but I reckon all I need is one or two simple
boat/caravan types fitted within the "single skin" part at the top of the
door/s. Any suggestions for suppliers, or things to watch out for?

[Rod Speed]

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

I have a Renault Master panel van (not coachbuilt) horsebox, the type with
standard solid steel back doors. Wife has decided the horses (rear facing)
need to be able to look out. The "proper" Renault glazed units are
comparatively expensive but I reckon all I need is one or two simple
boat/caravan types fitted within the "single skin" part at the top of the
door/s. Any suggestions for suppliers, or things to watch out for?

[Jimk]

Post by Rod Speed

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

From a window in a rear door?

I really feel the quality of your trolling has dropped in the last
few months...

[Rod Speed]

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

From a window in a rear door?

Nope from the window at the front that some have.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:57:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Jimk]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

From a window in a rear door?

Nope from the window at the front that some have.

Of a van?

[Rod Speed]

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

From a window in a rear door?

Nope from the window at the front that some have.

Of a van?

Irrelevant to the general question of what horses need to see when being
moved in horseboxes etc.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 08:05:48 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Jimk]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Jimk

Post by Rod Speed

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see where
its been!

What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?

From a window in a rear door?

Nope from the window at the front that some have.

Of a van?

Irrelevant to the general question of what horses need to see when being
moved in horseboxes etc.

But entirely relevant to *your* spouting of

"What makes the horse need to see where it is going ?"

Very poor trolling again woddles, do you have a temperature & a
continuous cough?

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Jimk <***@gmail.com> wrote just the shit that
always spews from the back of it.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:35:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Jimk]

Post by Rod Speed
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
always spews from the back of it.

Thought as much. Get tested woddles, not covid - start with
personality....

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Jimk <***@gmail.com> spewed just the shit
that always spews from the back of it.

[Peeler]

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 18:40:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[newshound]

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Make sure structural pressures cannot bounce the windows out of their
surrounds.

Good point, although I think most of the structural strength in modern
van doors comes from the internal frame which is a deep pressed channel
structure.

Also be interested in what makes the horse need to be able to see

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
where its been!

I think it is more to provide them with a frame of reference that stays
aligned with gravity while a vehicle bounces around.

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Brian

[Peter Hill]

Post by newshound
I have a Renault Master panel van (not coachbuilt) horsebox, the type
with standard solid steel back doors. Wife has decided the horses (rear
facing) need to be able to look out. The "proper" Renault glazed units
are comparatively expensive but I reckon all I need is one or two simple
boat/caravan types fitted within the "single skin" part at the top of
the door/s. Any suggestions for suppliers, or things to watch out for?

Don't see many horse boxes / transporters that allow the horses a view.
There may be a very good reason for this. Like they are totally mental,
afraid of everything that moves and easily spooked. Many can't be got
into boxes without a bag over their heads.

Have you asked other horse box owners how horses get on when they can
see where they have been? And what happens when they see you getting
tailgated by a moving or rapidly approaching car?

It's one thing having to make allowances for riders on horses but
totally another thing if we have to start giving extra wide berth to
horses in transit that have windows.

[newshound]

Post by Peter Hill

Post by newshound
I have a Renault Master panel van (not coachbuilt) horsebox, the type
with standard solid steel back doors. Wife has decided the horses
(rear facing) need to be able to look out. The "proper" Renault glazed
units are comparatively expensive but I reckon all I need is one or
two simple boat/caravan types fitted within the "single skin" part at
the top of the door/s. Any suggestions for suppliers, or things to
watch out for?

Don't see many horse boxes / transporters that allow the horses a view.
There may be a very good reason for this. Like they are totally mental,
afraid of everything that moves and easily spooked. Many can't be got
into boxes without a bag over their heads.

Not true, actually. You see them both in coachbuilt horseboxes and in
trailers. The windows are typically not very deep so you might not see
the horse's head from the ground, but the horse gets enough of a view to
give them a frame of reference for the outside world.

Post by Peter Hill
Have you asked other horse box owners how horses get on when they can
see where they have been? And what happens when they see you getting
tailgated by a moving or rapidly approaching car?
It's one thing having to make allowances for riders on horses but
totally another thing if we have to start giving extra wide berth to
horses in transit that have windows.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by newshound
Not true, actually. You see them both in coachbuilt horseboxes and in
trailers. The windows are typically not very deep so you might not see the
horse's head from the ground, but the horse gets enough of a view to give
them a frame of reference for the outside world.

Do horses become travel sick?

[Joshua Snow]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by newshound
Not true, actually. You see them both in coachbuilt horseboxes and in
trailers. The windows are typically not very deep so you might not see
the horse's head from the ground, but the horse gets enough of a view to
give them a frame of reference for the outside world.

Do horses become travel sick?

Nope.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:49:35 +1000, Joshua Snow, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[Andrew]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by newshound
Not true, actually. You see them both in coachbuilt horseboxes and in
trailers. The windows are typically not very deep so you might not see
the horse's head from the ground, but the horse gets enough of a view
to give them a frame of reference for the outside world.

Do horses become travel sick?

Horses cannot vomit, or so I always believed. This is why certain
conditions are much more dangerous to them.

[newshound]

Post by Andrew

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by newshound
Not true, actually. You see them both in coachbuilt horseboxes and in
trailers. The windows are typically not very deep so you might not
see the horse's head from the ground, but the horse gets enough of a
view to give them a frame of reference for the outside world.

Do horses become travel sick?

Horses cannot vomit, or so I always believed. This is why certain
conditions are much more dangerous to them.

Correct, it's all about the geometry. Colic can be a very serious
condition, quite often fatal or requiring major surgery (starting cost
£3k). I was lucky to get away with a night in horse hospital and a bill
< £1k last time. (I think they were being nice to me because it was
triggered by what turned out to be an inappropriate wormer).